Date: 2011-06-04 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
The name Klavan sounds like a KKK thing.

Date: 2011-06-04 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] panikowsky.livejournal.com
What a profound observation!

Date: 2011-06-05 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordan179.livejournal.com
Truly your insight has struck to the heart of the manner! Obviously, the author of the work of fiction in which this video was made would not have named the character that unless this was what he meant to imply!

Date: 2011-06-05 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
Klavern is his real name, you numbskull!

Date: 2011-06-05 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordan179.livejournal.com
Indeed, and in the real world, unlike in a work of fiction, a person's last name don't signify anything important about their character. Which makes your crack about "Klaven" sounding like a Ku Klux Klan title rather stupid, if it wasn't stupid enough anyway given that Klaven's pro-Jewish stand is very unlike any position espoused by the Klan.

Date: 2011-06-05 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
Where have you been the last ten years? The mainstream white nationalists have definitely become much more anti-Muslim, if not outright pro-Jewish.

Date: 2011-06-05 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordan179.livejournal.com
First of all, this doesn't change the fact that making fun of someone's name as a debating tactic is childish. Secondly, Klavan isn't a racist. Finally, your assumption that being "anti-Muslim" is somehow connected to being "pro-Jewish," and that there is something wrong with being "pro-Jewish," raher damns both (your concept of) Muslims and yourself, but I don't expect you to see why. Everyone else sees it, though.

Date: 2011-06-05 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
Some of them (the ones on the Dan Simmons forums and maybe a chunk of Stormfront) actually like Jews and welcome them into their movement, others just hate Muslims more than they hate Jews.

Date: 2011-06-05 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordan179.livejournal.com
Oh, and btw, you can't read. It's "Klavan." No "r," no "e", and no silent "q."

And yes, I know the meaning of the term "Klavern." I knew all about the Ku Klux Klan, the American South's homegrown insurgency against the victorious Union, before you were even a mistake on the part of your parents, let alone hatched.

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