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Jews ‘Very Concerned’ About Obama, Leader of Jewish Organizations Says
Jewish leaders “are expressing concern about what was said [in Obama’s Cairo speech],” Hoenlein says. “I’ve heard it from some of his strongest supporters. It’s expected from his detractors. Even people close to him have said to us that there were parts of the speech that bothered them.”
Obama’s speech to a Muslim audience in Cairo in early June was his second effort early in his administration to re-define America’s posture toward the Arab world. In April, Obama traveled to Ankara, Turkey, to offer a similar outreach to the Muslim world.
But many in the Jewish community, including some of Obama’s most ardent supporters, are troubled by his comments in the Middle East, especially his remarks to his Cairo audience. Others are concerned that, facing a multitude of problems on the domestic front, Obama has traveled twice to the Middle East without visiting Israel, America’s stalwart ally in the region for more than a half-century.
“There’s a lot of questioning going on about what he really believes and what does he really stand for,” Hoenlein says of Obama’s outreach.
Reaction to Obama’s speech has drawn a range of reaction from many Jewish leaders. On the right, some have condemned it as a revision of the long and close relationship between the U.S. and Israel. But many on the left who backed Obama were also surprised and dismayed over Obama’s speech. Such reactions from major Jewish leaders have largely remained beneath the surface, exchanged privately among them.
Hoenlein’s comments to Newsmax are his first detailed appraisal of Obama’s speech and represent the first time a major Jewish leader has spoken openly about the erosion of Jewish support for Obama.
According to the exit poll conducted by major press organizations during the 2008 election, Obama captured overwhelming support from American Jews, winning 78 percent of their vote. Despite the fact that Republicans are stronger on national security and the war on terror, Obama also won support from Jewish leaders who have been champions of Israel’s security, such as the former Democratic mayor of New York, Edward I. Koch. Koch crossed party lines in 2004 to back George W. Bush.
Reacting to Obama’s Cairo speech, Hoenlein tells Newsmax, “I have no problem with addressing the Muslim world. I’m in fact in favor of outreach, and we here at the conference have done it for about 12 or 15 years, visiting Muslim countries in Central Asia and the Middle East. But the question is, what is the message they get? It’s not so much what he says, but how do they perceive what he says?”
On the one hand, Hoenlein says, “His reference to Israel and the special relationship being unbreakable is important, and references to persecution and Holocaust denial were important, and some of his references to some human rights issues also were important.”
But Hoenlein notes the speech included a number of troubling references and comparisons. He cites the fact that Obama claimed America has seven million Muslims. That is a figure “Arab propagandists have put out,” he says. “In fact, they say only six million, when in fact there’s no study that shows even half of that.”
In 2007, the Pew Research Center estimated the Muslim American population at 2.35 million.
Hoenlein is disturbed that Obama did not mention the Jewish people’s ancient connection with the land of Israel.
“There was no reference to the 3,000 years of Jewish connection to this land,” Hoenlein says. “And that is again one of the propaganda lines that the Arabs have used: that the Jews are interlopers, that the two temples never existed, that there was never any Jewish history in the land of Israel. Even Yasser Arafat and others have used that argument because they’re trying to deny the legitimacy of the Jewish state. I don’t believe that was the president’s intent, but not making those references I think is troubling.”
Jews have claimed a connection to the land of their forefathers since 1400 B.C. Even after the Roman destruction of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. and the dispersal of many Jews throughout the Roman Empire, many Jews continued to reside in Jerusalem through the centuries, surviving various invasions. An Ottoman census of Jersualem conducted in 1845 showed Jews outnumbered Muslim Arabs by almost to 2 to 1 and were the dominant ethnic group in the region.
Hoenlein believes that the most troubling aspect of Obama’s comments in his Cairo speech was his effort to equate the Nazi killing of more than six million Jews during the Holocaust with Israel’s struggle with the Palestinians over six decades and the suffering caused by the displacement of the Palestinians.
“There’s no comparison between the Holocaust, even if it was an indirect one, and what happened to Palestinians,” Hoenlein declares.
In his speech, President Obama addressed the issue of the Holocaust head-on, saying “Six million Jews were killed — more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today.”
But he quickly changed the subject, comparing Hitler’s genocide of the Jews to the Palestinian struggle.
“On the other hand,” Obama said, as he transitioned from the Holocaust to the modern Middle East, “it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people — Muslims and Christians — have suffered in pursuit of a homeland.”
Hoenlein doesn’t buy Obama’s line of reasoning.
“The Palestinian refugee problem, or dislocation as he said, didn’t come about because of the creation of the Jewish state,” Hoenlein says. “It came about because the Arab states declared war on Israel and warned the Arabs that they would suffer the same fate as the Jews if they didn’t get out. And then they kept them as political pawns.”
Obama made no reference to the fact that “the reason the Palestinians don’t have a state is because their leaders rejected every offer for peace,” Hoenlein says. “Whether it was in 1937 or 1947 or 1967, or later on, up until Ehud Olmert’s offer and Ehud Barak’s offer, they rejected everything, even when they were getting virtually everything they had asked for.”
That is because, “The problem really is not what Israel does, it’s that Israel is,” Hoenlein says. “And they’re not ready to accept the existence of the Jewish state.”
In discussing the Palestinian refugee problem, Obama failed to mention the other refugee problem involving nearly a million Jews, Hoenlein says. At the time of the creation of the modern state of Israel in 1948, Jews populated all of the major Arab cities from Baghdad in the East to Casablanca in the West.
Hoenlein notes that after modern Israel saw its rebirth, Jews “were driven out of Arab countries penniless, and some of their families had lived there for a thousand years, and yet there was no reference to them.” He adds, “This is not a question of tit for tat. It’s a question of the realities that are communicated to a vast audience in the Arab Muslim world.”
As troubling as Obama’s references to Israel and the Palestinians were, Hoenlein found the president’s failure to mention the radical regime now running Tehran equally disturbing.
”What concerned us, concerned many people, was the message to Iran that we didn’t hear,” Hoenlein says.
Iran, controlled by powerful Shia Mullahs, is set to acquire a nuclear device. Many Sunni Muslim states, including Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, and Morocco, are concerned about this prospect.
Hoenlein says these Arab states also wanted to hear “an absolute assurance about the U.S. commitment not to allow Iran to be nuclear, not to allow it to continue to support terrorism, not to allow it to continue being the major state sponsor of terror around the world.”
Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who declared himself the winner in the election in Iran this past weekend, has repeatedly called for Israel’s destruction. In 2005, he declared that he is a devout follower of Iran’s late ruler Ayatollah Khomeini. He has vowed to fulfill the Ayatollah’s dream that the “occupying regime [Israel] must be wiped off the map.”
Asked if he sees Obama’s perceived tilt toward the Palestinians as reflecting some of the views of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Jr., Obama’s former pastor who accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” and “terrorism,” Hoenlein says American Jews are concerned about Obama’s policies today.
“That issue has been discussed and debated, and I don’t know that it’s a relevant concern for right now,” he says. “I do feel strongly about what the [current] policy will be.”
Hoenlein says flatly, “People [Jews] are genuinely very concerned...about President Obama.”
Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com. A former Washington Post and Wall Street Journal award-winning reporter, he is the New York Times bestselling author of 18 books. His next book, “In the President’s Secret Service: Behind the Scenes With Agents in the Line of Fire and the Presidents They Protect,” will be published Aug. 4 by Crown Publishing and reveals for the first time the secrets of how agents protect the president and what they see behind the scenes, from John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson through George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
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Однажды я сама сделала переводной машинкой и час сидела рыдала от смеху, а потом еще час правила...и забросила этих дел навсегда, а у меня уже не тот щас аглицкий, чтоб с листа текст переводить! А народу нада!
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Может тогда по кусочкам?
Les défenseurs les plus forts du Président Obama's parmi les chefs juifs sont profondément préoccupés par ses initiatives récentes de Moyen-Orient, et certains interrogent ce qu'il croit vraiment, Malcolm Hoenlein, vice-président exécutif de la conférence des présidents des organismes juifs américains importants, disent Newsmax dans une interview exclusive.
Bien que Hoenlein indique il offre seulement ses vues personnelles, la conférence qu'il représente est une centrale électrique politique qui inclut 50 groupes juifs importants. Parmi eux sont le Comité américain d'affaires publiques de l'Israël (AIPAC), l'International de B'nai B'rith, le congrès juif américain, le Comité juif américain, l'organisation sioniste de l'Amérique, Hadassah, et la ligue d'Anti-Diffamation. Hoenlein a été la tête professionnelle de la conférence depuis 1986, surveillant ses activités de jour en jour comme corps coordonné pour les juifs américains sur des questions de souci aux États-Unis et globalement.
Les chefs juifs « expriment les inquiétudes concernant ce qui a été dite [dans la parole du Caire d'Obama], » Hoenlein dit. « Je l'ai entendu de certains de ses défenseurs plus forts. Il a prévu de ses détracteurs. Même les gens près de lui ont dit à nous qu'il y avait du discours qui les a tracassés. »
Le discours d'Obama à une assistance musulmane au Caire en juin était son deuxième effort tôt dans son administration de redéfinir le maintien de l'Amérique vers le monde arabe. En avril, Obama a voyagé à Ankara, Turquie, pour offrir un outreach semblable au monde musulman.
Mais beaucoup dans la communauté juive, y compris certains des défenseurs les plus ardents d'Obama, sont préoccupés par ses commentaires dans le Moyen-Orient, particulièrement ses remarques à son assistance du Caire. D'autres sont concernés que, faisant face à une multitude de problèmes sur l'avant domestique, Obama a voyagé deux fois au Moyen-Orient sans allié vigoureux visiter Israël, Amérique dans la région pour plus qu'un demi-siècle.
« Il y a beaucoup d'aller de interrogation sur environ ce qu'il croit vraiment et ce qui fait il représente vraiment, » Hoenlein dit de l'outreach d'Obama.
La réaction à la parole d'Obama a tiré une gamme de la réaction de beaucoup de chefs juifs. Du côté droit, certains l'ont condamné comme révision du long et de la relation proche entre les États-Unis et l'Israël. Mais beaucoup du côté gauche qui a soutenu Obama ont été également étonnés et consternés au-dessus de la parole d'Obama. De telles réactions des chefs juifs importants sont en grande partie demeurées sous la surface, échangée en privé parmi eux.
Les commentaires de Hoenlein à Newsmax sont sa première évaluation détaillée de la parole d'Obama et représentent la première fois qu'un chef juif important a parlé ouvertement au sujet de l'érosion du soutien juif d'Obama.
Selon le sondage à la sortie des bureaux de vote conduit par des organismes importants de presse pendant l'élection 2008, Obama a capturé l'appui primordialement des juifs américains, gagnant 78 pour cent de leur voix. Malgré le fait que les républicains sont plus forts sur la sécurité nationale et la guerre sur la terreur, Obama a également gagné l'appui des chefs juifs qui ont été des champions de la sécurité de l'Israël, tels que l'ancien maire Democratic de New York, Edouard I. Koch. Koch a croisé des lignes du parti en 2004 pour soutenir George W. Bush.
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Што за люди мужыки чесслово! Играются! Уже перевести успели бы!
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В двух словах части евреев не понравилась торжественная речь нашего президента, ничего страшного, к следующим выборам или забудут, или опять будут голосовать по принципу "кто угодно лишь бы не эти кошмарные республиканцы". В общем какая то временная польза от этой бесполезной речи есть. :)
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Тем более что я всё равно настолько ленивый, что мне даже лень это всё целиком читать. :)
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А про маарболет ты мог знать, она и у [Unknown site tag] тусуется иногда и журнал у неё с кучей французского. ;)
А откуда ты знаешь, про её иврит?
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Не знаю у кого в журналах тусуеться я обычно по френдам френдов не лажу.
Елементарно Ватсон! Человек живет в Хайфе и все время вставляет обороты на иврите ;)
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Многабукф
78 percent of their vote... Осталось 22% евреев с мозгами? Невероятно... я думал уже меньше... забавно...
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Чтобы понять, что происходит в отношении ИЗРАИЛЯ, наверное надо разобраться в различном отношении к сионизму, с момента его зарождения, внутри самого еврейства. Эта же разница проявлялась весь прошлый век и продолжается и сейчас.
Израиль, к несчастью, был (вос)создан в момент очередного передела мира и те, кто был полвека форпостом борьбы с коммунизмом, стали заложниками вполне прагматичного подхода ребят, которым сейчас геополитика глобализма дороже маленького государства, антагонизирующего весь исламский мир. Новый Израиль (заокеанская земля обетованная) всегда был дороже старого (святой реликвии). См. статейку У.Р.Мида (New Israel) в августовском номере Foreign Affairs (он есть онлайн). Очень занятно об отношении к Израилю в США.
А вообще, по опыту, хорошо вижу, что Обама из категории много и общеговорящих. Мне сразу Картер вспоминается :) Так что не надо волноваться. Это тот самый случай, как с 70-летним дедом..
С поклоном..
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И на полном серьезе обсуждаете и поддержку или неподдержку на выборах, и значение слов Обамы и того, как воспримут их...
А у Громова среди тем - разлагающий евреев либерализм (не вдаваясь, естественно, в суть идеологии либерализма). Так, ребята, можно тень навести на самый ясный день.
С 70-х помню в Союзе аналогичное явление. Сперва провозгласить заведомо пропагандистские тезисы для внешнего употребления, потом в них глубоко уверовать самим, а затем начинать разбираться в "сложности и неоднозначности", а то и "противоречивости" явлений.
Вы уж как-то полегче, пожалуйста, насчет вообще какой-то самостоятельности Обамы. Да еще в такой интересный период. Он очень аккуратный исполнитель. Очень. Попробуйте отсюда взглянуть. Может иначе и логичнее вся картина станет.
А что касается Израиля, то спасет его только два фактора. Первый и главный - наличие мудрого и решительного руководителя (собственного, а не внешнего, но Голду Меир где найти еще одну?) и правильное понимание геополитического расклада. В смысле: кто действительно способен быть естественным и реальным гарантом стабильности в регионе и кто мастерит в этом регионе очаги нестабильности и зачем (не решая никаких вопросов, кроме создания крупных проблем России, а в первую очередь Европе и Азии).
С поклоном..
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:)))
С поклоном..
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В смысле, Вы серьезно считаете, что Штатами руководил Буш-младший?
Он же классический монгольский космонавт :)
С поклоном..
П.С. Кстати, в Европе франкмасоны не сильно прячутся, но и не рекламируются. У меня возникли знакомые энное количество лет назад в этой среде. Классическая система (почти цековская номенклатура) с приемом и отбором по своим правилам. Финсистема (и вытекающие последствия :) у них в руках. Спокойный народ. Какие заговоры? Только вот в их уровни не попадешь.
А они входят в высокие кабинеты и гольф-клубы без вертолетов, тем более черных..