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There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/?utm_term=.f84960684ddd


I got into an argument on internet regarding difference in news coverage of cop killings by white and black offenders and in my googling of facts stumbled upon that fact above. My inner racist :) knew that the number would be higher than the % of population but 43%... WOW

Date: 2017-01-13 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
that is impressive.

however this is a fact, we don't interpret facts, we just .. state them.

now if you wanted to have a hypothesis as to why this is so, you would need to both take this data apart and add demographic data: for example, what is the percentage of blacks in the population, like you said. also - what is the percentage of indigent blacks in the population compared to indigent whites. what is the percentage of post-incarceration serious fellons in the population, black vs white. etc etc etc.

all of this adjustment will not change teh facts, but might help making sense of them.

Date: 2017-01-13 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
That's why I just left it as a fact :)

Date: 2017-01-13 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
yep... i think even the most overengaged leftie would not dispute the fact - that there are more criminals among blacks than whites. and thus, more police are killed by black perps than is population-appropriate".

however, by reversing this argument, and looking at police brutality, which is definitely more pronounced towards blacks, you can partly explain this unsettling fact by the above. police are more afraid of them than of whites, so they brutalize them more, with or without provocation....

Date: 2017-01-13 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
Oooh they do dispute it. There are more blacks in the prisons because they are stopped, arrested and sentenced more often than whites.

Date: 2017-01-13 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
well, they ARE RIGHT - but that goes back to % of criminals, first and foremost, and only secondarily to police profiling.

and i am not even sure they are 100% right.

remember a study that brought the scaffolding down on AirB&B? they were shown - shamefully and objectively - to favor whites over blacks for rentals. this was a coup of investigative reporting, really.

however - i have not seen a report that shows that X % blacks have moving violations, and Y % whites have moving violations, and out of these more blacks are stopped than whites.

moreover, the opposite is true according to my current policeman source.

1. a moving violation vehicle does not say "i am black" on a bumpersticker, and to see the driver's skin tint even during daytime hours is tricky.
2. moving violations go unpoliced in ghetto neighborhoods - the police sees them but has better cats to fry. does not care.
3. the police are genuinely afraid of stopping erratic cars once they see a black driver - unless they have backup.

Date: 2017-01-14 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
Oooh I've got a read for you http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/21/nyregion/study-suggests-racial-gap-in-speeding-in-new-jersey.html

This study caused so much butthurt... and still does.

Date: 2017-01-14 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
"In the southern segment of the turnpike, where the speed limit is 65 m.p.h., 2.7 percent of black drivers were speeders, compared with 1.4 percent of white drivers. Among drivers going faster than 90 m.p.h., the disparity was even greater.

By contrast, blacks were no more likely to speed than whites when the limit was 55 m.p.h. In those geographical segments of the turnpike, 13.1 percent of black drivers were speeders, compared with 13.5 percent of white drivers."

i don't get that at all. it might be a psychological effect that is color-blind. the expectation that at lower speed the coast of speeding will be higher - which is not quite true, but many people think that...


as to the study and the butthurt - very funny.


racial profiling DOES exist, of course. only an idiot would argue that it does not. but racial profiling is often justified....

we have already been through - what if all terror acts in Jerusalem were performed by pasty red-haired hassidic boys in tzitzit hanging our and in black kapeliushes?

then Mosad and IDF would profile according to the facts on the ground.

Date: 2017-01-15 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reytsman.livejournal.com
Hmmm.... red necks and white supremacists... huh... Shiiitttt. I am telling you man, statistics is a racist science, it should not be part of the college curriculum and should be allowed only on "as needed" basis.

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